I guess Ive been thinking a lot about mythology. Usually only after therapy Where I seldom shopped, While I labored to find Once, a bag of black beluga The glossy Tracy K. Smith served as U.S. poet laureate from 2017-19 and teaches at Princeton University. One of the women greeted me.I love you, she said. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith (1972-), listen to her read it here. WASHINGTON SQUARE: In addition to the found poems in Wade in the Water and your previous books, youve also written erasures (including an erasure of the Declaration of Independence) and translated poetry from the Chinese. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California. Unlike a lot of other poets I was looking at, she has a certain flavor that just really fit to my taste. Our repeated I'm glad you were able to find something to connect with! The poem, titled Garden of Eden begins with Smith acknowledging a profound longing for her Garden of Eden, or moreover her personal paradise. Wade in the Water begins with the desolate luxury of the ironically titled Garden of I felt like my sonnet was off, I always felt like there was something I needed to fix in the last couple of lines of that poem. And let it slam me in the face And its a way of bearing witness to what is otherwise unspeakable. For a long time I didnt know what to do with my interest in the Nathaniel Rich article that informs Watershed. Then, after most of the manuscript was finished, I had the idea of marrying the facts from that article, in a found poem, with the narratives of near-death-experience (NDE) survivorspeople whose vocabularies almost across the board invoke the sense of Love as an original animating force, as the logic of the universe. WebGarden of Eden By Tracy K. Smith What a profound longing I feel, just this very instant, For the Garden of Eden On Montague Street Where I seldom shopped, Usually only after therapy Elbow sore at the crook From a handbasket filled To capacity. SMITH: I like the way that humor exists in our lives, even in the dark and difficult moments. Then I felt like the poem could finally get somewhere. Curtis Fox: And what about the desolate luxury? Curtis Fox: So I wanted to ask you about your time as Poet Laureate, but before we get there, Id like to get straight to a poem. Buy RHINO MagazineDonate to RHINOPoemsReviewsEvents Submissions InternshipsAbout RHINOMasthead. Looking back, do you have a sense of your writerly evolution across your books? Many of the poems focus on history, whether spiritual or political. Wade in the Water is, wonderfully, a Poet Laureates booka book that speaks for the poet herself and for us all, at a perilous moment in our history. Curtis Fox: That was An Old Story. Is it strange to say love is a languageFew practice, but all, or near all speak?Even the men in black armor, the onesJangling handcuffs and keys, what elseAre they so buffered against, if not loves bladeSizing up the hearts familiar meat? This view of history as contested territory is in turn based on a tentatively hopeful view of selfhood in which all is intersubjective. The first line introduces the readers to both the casual In part, I think its true to say that the selves Im most committed to in that book are the ones our culture continues to make most vulnerable: women, people of color, the lonely and disenfranchised. Are they something you mostly notice cropping up in poems youve already written, or do they often enter through conscious choices like the ones you describe with Watershed and Eternity?SMITH: I tend to write and bank poems slowly for long stretches of time, and then, when I have the extended time and space, or when my questions become more urgent, I sit down to a season of intense writing. I wanted to find a way of reminding myself that our 21st Century moment isnt self-contained; somewhere and somehow, it has bearing upon what happens moving forward throughout all of eternity, even after we humans are gone from this planet. The core of the book, because it was the poem I had written earliest in the process, always seemed to me to be the long Civil War poem, I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. That poem was commissioned for an exhibition of Civil War photographs at the Smithsonians National Portrait Gallery back in 2013. Everyone hunkers down alone with their stuff, just as capitalism wants it.Two vicious features of the system, which Im hardly the first to note, are its enforcement of rigid hierarchies (think about the racial pay gap, for example) and its wholesale razing of the biospheric life-support systems that allow civilization to exist in the first place. Tracy K. Smith: Hi, thanks for having me. Curtis Fox: The poem ends with an erasure, it ends ambiguously, taken Captive / on the high Seas / to bear as you just read, and its with a dash there at the end. In a technique that feels like the opposite of erasure, I Will Tell You the Truth about This, I Will Tell You All about It accumulates voices from African Americans enlisted in the Civil War, and also from their families. They do a lot to remind us that we do have things to say to each other, that were interested in one anothers lives and vulnerabilities. What made you choose to start (and end?) So I did that with this document, and what I found myself doing was deleting the text that was most specific in reference to England, and listening only to the first half, in many cases, of statements. It feels like an empires end: The known sun setting / On the dawning century, as the last two lines go. This would be a democratic project: a writer who takes it on would have to imagine a community where individuals arent just monads bouncing around the economy but are instead subjects whose lives matter regardless of how much or little capital is attached to them. I imagined my Civil War poem would be a one-time exploration of its time period, but when I came back a few years later to writing poetry, the concerns I found myself wrestling with were rooted in similar questions of history, race, compassion and justice. Among her current projects is Self-Portraits,a chapbook collection of ekphrastic poems focused on women artists. Similarly, Theatrical Improvisation draws on the voices of immigrants as well as those who targeted them in the months before and after the 2016 Presidential election. Yet everyone lived with a sense of innocence and privacy. People are leading lives where they cannot afford rich and luxurious things and are ashamed of that, yet they also hold onto fear; they are afraid to let people see their actual status. Incidentally, the only other poem in the book whose title was chosen well in advance of the poems composition was Eternity. I knew that I wanted to write a poem that invoked a never-ending sense of scale. Free UK p&p The way you can break into laughter remembering something while at a funeral, say, and On June 14, 2017, Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden announced the appointment of Tracy K. Smith as the 22nd Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry. All of these fruits hold positive or affectionate connotations to their names, something she likely wished for after therapy (she earlier states she typically shops here almost exclusively after therapy). I had been powerfully compelled and disturbed by a Nathaniel Rich article about chemical pollution that appeared in the New York Times Magazine in January 2016. Or was it just a sense of being spurred to write by the experience of working intensively with language?SMITH: Yi Lei has big questions. WebThe story Garden of Eden introduces the first man and woman that God created. I dont think the poems lay out answers to any of that, incidentally, but their manner of exploring these questions feels fruitful.WASHINGTON SQUARE: One of the most striking pieces in the book is the long poem you mentioned, I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. Im curious about the research that goes into a piece like thishow did you come across the source documents, and when did you realize they could constitute a poem? An elegy to your mother in The Bodys Question ends with the lines, We sat in that room until the wood was spent. And in this awful year, thats something worth giving thanks for. Some do a lot, some very little. Not unlike your previous books, this one feels cohesive even as it encompasses poems whose forms and concerns vary. Onto the darkening dusk. I watch him bob across the intersection,Squat legs bowed in black sweatpants. Curtis Fox: I want to get you to read one more poem. Can I get you to read An Old Story? And I love how Wright allows the text of her various speakers to become a kind of chorus. But the poet respectfully appropriates them, placing each within her linguistic universe, where things like line breaks and image patterns matter, and as such the erasure is partly undone. Terrible. She earned a BA from Harvard University and an MFA in creative writing from Columbia University. the book in a spiritual key? In June 2017, Smith was named U.S. poet laureate. I think the title, which came after Id finished the poem, enlarged the initial scope of the poem. He has Also, one of the strangest I think, because the role of the Poet Laureate is largely defined by the poet occupying that perch. And if Trump has done anything positive for the country, hes inadvertently, by his own racist statements and actions, put the conversation front and center in American life. Theyre intimate spaces where we can really stop and say, okay, heres a poem by this American poet whos voice I think is so important, what do you hear within it? Hi Tracy, thanks for coming on the podcast. Inspired by a photograph taken during a Black Lives Matter protest after city police killed Alton Sterling, a black man, the poem imagines a confrontation between state power and another African American body. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. And before that, of course, there was the slave empire, a giant system for turning flesh into money. I was dreaming that I was reading aloud a mural that had been made of a Carl Phillips poem, when suddenly my waking mind broke in to say: Thats not a Carl Phillips poembut if you write it down it can be yours! I woke up and struggled to remember and reconstruct the lines Id read in the dream. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Across all four of your collections, many poems speak through personae. I just feel that sometimes they strive more to be abstract rather than deliver a coherent message. Moreover, my sense of the nearness of the pastthe way that our public grappling with race and racial prejudice has begun to feel so much like a throwback from an earlier timeignited the urgent wish to hear something in an earlier periods voices that might be useful at this moment in the 21st Century.The title Wade in the Water comes from an African American spiritual, which seems apt for a collection that thinks so much about faith, race, and history (especially the Civil War), and for a poet whose previous book took its name from a song, too. I think we have reached a moment where we need new myths.WASHINGTON SQUARE: The titles and cover art of your two most recent collections suggest a sort of pairing: Life on Mars, with its image of the Cone Nebula, points to the cosmic, while Wade in the Water presents as more earthbound. We get collage, erasure, short lyrics, long sectioned pieces; speakers grapple with the Civil War, immigration, faith, environmental damage, motherhood, grocery shopping. Teaching is inspiring for me. Im thinking particularly of your poem Ash, which, compared to some of the other poems in Wade in the Water, feels especially, conspicuously (and beautifully!) Tracy K. Smith: I have, and I didnt know if I would. The conversations that can ensue after weve sat together listening to poems that have activated some of our own private urgencies, are useful. She was named Poet Laureate of the United States in June 2017 and reappointed to the post for a second term last spring. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Im also curious, hearing about how you created the found poemsare there any poets whose work has inspired or instructed you specifically in this domain of found/collaged poetry, or poetry that incorporates historical source documents?SMITH: I have taught CD Wrights One Big Self, in both the poetry and photography formats, to my students in the past. I suppose those two choices speak to some of the overarching themes I consciously wanted the book to cleave to.WASHINGTON SQUARE: This last comment makes me wonder about your process assembling a book. Capitalism, Fisher intones, is what is left when beliefs have collapsed at the level of ritual or symbolic elaboration, and all that is left is the consumer-spectator, trudging through the ruins and the relics.Is there any alternative to the morose conviction that nothing new can ever happen (Fisher again)? Tracy K. Smith, I hope your poem is a prophecy. [1] The term queasy questions comes from John Self, the narrator of Martin Amiss novel Money (1984). But translating is a different thing altogether. I watch him smile at nobody, at our trafficStopped to accommodate his slow going. Ive been sharing work by other American poets, and readings of my own poems as well, and just asking a very simple question, which is, what do you notice? We poor oppressed ones, one writes Lincoln, appeal to you, and ask fair play.Arranged by Smith, these voices, often speaking in nonstandard English, become part of the American literary corpus. Consider, that is, the languages and practices we have developed to exist within Western consumer markets. Its not that I dont like it because Ew, poetry, but rather because I just dont understand a majority of it. Naomi Shihab Nye is the Young Peoples Poet Laureate of the Poetry Foundation in Chicago. Every least leaf, Shivers in the sun, while we sit, bothered,Late, captive to this thing commanding. I am thunderstruck by the human care of these last lines. Capitalist realism is the language of the boardroom, the pop-up ad, the tax form, the PR statement, the subway banner, the chip-card reader, the medical bill, the Fidelity account. The first trip was to Sante Fe, New Mexico, to the Santa Fe Indian School and some neighboring pueblos, and I realized this is joy. Did writing your memoir indeed open up new space for that? Under the intense weight of capital, this poisoned realism infects all other forms of discourse, connection, economy. For Poetry Off The Shelf, Im Curtis Fox. It moves like a woman / Corralling her children onto a crowded bus. It is, implicitly, formed out of lives meshed into communities and societies; in place of capitalisms brutal sorting of human beings, Smith proposes another world. Curtis Fox: Its one of the curiosities of your book, that to grapple with this dawning century you go back into history with poems in the voices of the enslaved and powerless, and you also make interesting use of the Declaration of Independence. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, in 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. Like the couplet that led me to her work, Smiths writing seems often to spring from an empathetic impulse, animated by common human experiences and invested in the insight we can gain by watching and listening to each other. Her poems pose fundamental questionsabout love, time, mortality, and faith (Is It us, or what contains us? she asks in Life on Mars)and pursue them with imagination, rigor, a bold comfort with uncertainty, and an unswerving commitment to candor and humaneness. You can read some of her poems on our website. Can you explain exactly what that means in terms of what you did with the Declaration of Independence? Life On Mars By Tracy K. Smith Analysis. 4 (September 2018), Emily Jungmin Yoon, Maya Marshall, RHINO Reviews Vol. She studied at Harvard University, where she joined the Dark Room Collective, a reading series for writers of color, created by Sharan Strange in 1988. I love the things my students are willing to learn, and the risks they are willing to take with their poems. Tracy K. Smith: Well, Ive been going into rural communities in different parts of the country. Or how you can sometimes see the humor in your own dire or embarrassing situation, and how that can be both frustrating and something you file away under Things that Will Be Funny in the Future. Educated at Harvard and Columbia, teaching at Princeton, named the US Poet Laureate in 2017, and already freighted with laurels (her previous book, Life on Mars, won the 2012 Pulitzer), Smith is no undiscovered talent. sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our, In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for. She comes home with her paper bags and looks at the numbers to her name and it ultimately slam[s] [her] in the face; she perceives a life of luxury and craves more from life than that of which she can afford. The analysis was to consist of identifying poetic devices and explaining how and why Tracy K. Smith used them. K Smith. Its current occupant is Tracy K. Smith, who was named Poet Laureate in 2017. For And sometimes there are things that seem to point in very different directions as a result of whats been eliminated. So the poems change for me too, which is I think affirmation that something real is happening. Its actually the last poem in your book. What do you try to impart as a teacher, and what, if anything, has teaching poetry taught you about writing it? So I had to kind of really think about it, before saying yes. Curtis Fox: This is Poetry Off The Shelf from The Poetry Foundation. Race is one of the chief subjects of Wade in the Water, a site wherein my wish to contemplate the elusive nature of compassion gets played out. and was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon Tracy. Smith and I corresponded by email about writing, reading, teaching, and her latest collection.WASHINGTON SQUARE: To start, I loved your new collection Wade in the Water. One of the closing lines is an eerie warning: its global. The worlds first great carbon empire, the United States, is committing suicide, but at least some people are getting richer.The books center is I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. This long poem, divided into sections based on different voices, consists of material Smith culled from the letters of black Civil War veterans and their wives, children, siblings, and widows, many of whom wrote to President Lincoln asking for financial assistance, in many cases pay that was owed them. I see it as my job to draw these things out, and offer the kinds of questions and observations that will help students move further into their strengths as writers, and to follow them toward an organic and genuine sense of their own deepening themes and questions. He has plundered our Her term will be up in April of 2019. From trees. In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. We spoke of this, when we spoke, if we spoke, on our zoom screensor in the backyard with our podfolk. The gesture of writing an appeal and appending ones name to it parallels her lyric recuperations, because both replace capitalisms terms (where individuals are parts of a vast machine dedicated to profit) with the changeable conditions of authentic selfhood, where every breath matters even if it produces nothing that can be monetized. Actually, the first poem in Wade in the Water, its called Garden of Eden and it is shockingly about shopping, in a sense. Curtis Fox: So please give that a read if you would. The way you can break into laughter remembering something while at a funeral, say, and how that can both deepen and lighten your sense of grief. When she writes about love and desire, they are vehicles for the philosophical examination of humanity, of the ways we respond to authority, and more and more they are vehicles for thinking about the plight of the earth. Im really happy I stumbled upon Tracy K. Smith and I look forward to reading more of her work. Everyone I knew was living Id squint into it and let it slam me in the face-- the known sun setting on the dawning century really stuck with me. The author of four books of poems, she received the 2012 Pulitzer Prize in poetry. Her work travels the world and takes on its voices; brings history and Wade in the Water, by Tracy K. SmithGraywolf Press, 2018. Song allows us to hope for new connections: The interior sections of Smiths collection lift up others voices and names, to which she joins her own. Poetry wasnt really on my radar thenat least nothing contemporarybut I was taking a required composition course, and in the classroom I spotted a poster bearing some lines from a poem. Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. We took new stock of one another. Meanwhile, Watershed brilliantly intermixes language from that Nathaniel Rich article with testimony by survivors of near-death experiences; was the process of choosing and assembling your found texts similar for this poem? Bouncing balls, the kind that lifts nothing. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Thats fascinating! Its been something I will be sad to cease doing, and I feel incredibly lucky to have been able to go out across the country at this time in particular. Sort of the innocence of consumerism before bad things happen. Register now and publish your best poems or read and bookmark your favorite popular famous poems. 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