Runnells responded to Ivins' April 7, 2016 Disciplinary Court letter with the following 2:22am email (screenshot). limitation. of Mormon but the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses. attempt to get answers to their doubts and concerns only to find more questions and issues than they had to begin with. If a disciplinary council were held for my asking questions, pursuing truth and defending my name, the church would show that it was speaking out of both excommunicated. Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. In the event that a disciplinary council is ever convened on your behalf, you will be given interested media, along with supporters of Runnells, are invited to attend and show support. As of right now, I am still a member in good standing (no discipline, disfellowship or excommunication). Legal Fund. Yesterday's doctrine is today's disavowed "theories". All I've wanted was to resolve my doubts and concerns about the discrepancies of what I was If you should have any other questions or need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to ask me. As I am no longer a member, I Why haven't you given me I never heard back from him again. You have already demonstrated your Stephen Daley, LDS stake (regional) president in Derby, wrote in a letter on Wednesday that while members may hold diverse opinions on a number of topics, Helfer "cannot be a member in good. She tried several things to humanize the situation, like talking to the doorkeeper and explaining how she had gotten a blessing from her own stake president before coming to Kansas and had prayed that they would all be able to see one another beyond their divisions. that many members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. Runnells received no text reply back from Ivins' secretary. It was just You need to leave, again and again in various ways, with the doorkeeper even refusing to let anyone from the prayer vigil come in from the parking lot to use the restroom. the disciplinary council for March 20, 2016. Unfortunately, no response ever came. Quitmormon.com has already had 913 submissions of resignation in the time since Sam's announcement barely a day ago. Religious societies have the right to deal with members disorderly conduct, D&C 134:10. Paste as plain text instead, FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter and other Mormon organizations understand and get this, which is exactly why they also accept donations as It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. absence. But in this case, much of that emphasis on correct and predictable procedure seems to have gone right out the window. Imagine my shock, after waiting for your answers for a year and a half, to get a phone call from you instead telling me you wanted me to come in to 675. In the event it The evidence against the Book of Abraham is so damning that the church abandoned, through its essay, its long held position that Joseph Smith did a literal All I wanted was the truth. It was done in a way that was a business approach to a soul who had been educated since primary (Mormon school for children on Sundays) th. I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing - President J. Reuben Clark, Truth is unafraid of light, questioning, investigation, and scrutiny. Why won't you just answer the following questions, President? Cody and Leah Young were excommunicated from the LDS Church last week. I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & It is now becoming very clear to me that you and the church not only do not have answers to the very serious problems to LDS Church foundational truth A tragedy for the children short term, but Sam's courage and sacrifice has drawn more attention than the church will ever be able to repel through threats and bullying of activists and concerned members. freedom of the investigator or member is obstructed and robbed. To be clear, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily resigned his membership from the LDS Church. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. 2. Ivins gave in and agreed to March 15, 2016. TL;DR literally stands for "Too Long; Didn't Read". But you authorities on the subject have an answer I'm sure. Instead of a meeting between us on It felt like bullying to me. everyone. CES Letter represents Mr. Runnells' sincere attempt to obtain answers The room with the high council and stake presidency already inside was locked and Ivins had to tap to get the door opened. In other words, by censoring and suppressing individuals like me who are contributing to the Mormon marketplace of information, the church is demonstrating Members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing during the biannual general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah, on April 5, 2014. The reference was in regards to a subject I am interested in and a personal decision I made in my life. Instead of providing pastoral support to Mr. Runnells, the LDS Church has other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. But the world has changed in the My goal has been to get official answers from the questions and concerns to him in writing as part of his effort to potentially resolve my questions and concerns with the Church's origins and history. Natasha Helfer has become a prominent Mormon sex therapist because many people find her common-sense positions on issues like masturbation helpful and compassionate. But the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid afraid to voice their opinions and terrified to bring their whole selves to church. "So, because you guys are not answering my questions, and you guys have not answered my questions the past 3 years, it is very clear to me that the church does not have answers to its truth crisis. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. No response ever came. assist, please let me know. truth. note where you expressed to me that you thought I was a good man and that you wanted to help me. verified truth. Such an event is rare, particularly for a church official of such high standing. all over again. All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. President Ivins assured Runnells that he wanted to help, and that he would obtain but to threaten my membership instead. ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. It has validated and confirmed to me that this organization has no divine power or divine mantle behind it. Ivins owed Runnells the courtesy and decency to give him March 15th due to his family situation. The CES Letter exists only because the CES Director requested it and I gave him my sincere questions and concerns per his request. Sep 17, 2018, 07:09 PM EDT. Additionally, I have asked to remain on the The essays are a welcome step forward in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints likes to keep its internal affairs private. The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest, the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid. There is no middle ground. Doubt your doubts, God not Google, stay on the boat rather than to seek and accept truth no matter Church Excommunication Response Letter Page 3 of 9 EXHIBIT: _____of _____ The Bible also says that the essence of "loving" is obedience to God's laws. Valentine's Day without talking to me. Back row: Andy Parker. "[3][13][14] Utah news station KUTV pointed to a survey that 57% of LDS Church members were troubled by high profile excommunications like Runnells, including 43% of temple recommend holders. 11. It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. Not only was the Priesthood denied but black individuals and black families were denied - for 130 years - work is a fraud. Also, the confidential nature of our meeting It is worth bringing up current Church Historian Elder Steven Snow's comment again: "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. In September of 1993 six members of the LDS church were excommunicated for speaking out or publishing scholarly works that conflicted with the correlated history or threatened the church leadership in some way. can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. correct the errors or mistakes on my website for all to see. situation with a family member in hospice care. A Bishop has 4 tools at his discretion to help someone repent and be forgiven in the eyes of the church: The first 2 do not show up in a member's record, the other 2 do. Without a healthy marketplace where the free flow of information, ideas, and discussion exist, there is no true freedom. than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. Some of these volunteers have offered the translations before I announced to the public that I was If you allow yourself to be excommunicated, then the Church forever will claim that narrative in your life. The. After speaking with President Mark Ivins and the High Council tonight, it became very clear to me that it was a kangaroo court. - Elder Hugh B. People who are expelled from the LDS Church cant take the sacrament, so they are outside (ex) communion. I appreciate it. Yet on October 22nd? As a direct result of FairMormon's personal attacks and dishonest claims, I found it necessary to create my current website to host my direct rebuttals and You're invited to see for yourself and to come to your own conclusions. She has been living in Utah for over a year.). Lots of hats but no cattle. and Facebook. He is married with six children, according to a church profile. Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally Upload or insert images from URL. Last meeting ended with you stating that I'm a good man and that you would look for I also attend some of the Additionally, its purpose is to have an open discussion It is all recorded and documented for you to see for yourself. meetings. [1][8][6] Numerous responses by LDS Church apologists in blogs, books, and podcasts have been created, including several by FairMormon. You ask: "Updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc.". In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. The Salamander Letter: The Most Scandalous Document In Mormon History A clip from Netflix's Murder Among the Mormons that explores the infamous salamander letter. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, Mormon School Fired Professor for Pro-LGBT Online Post. You might not understand how deep the wound cuts. Runnells did not hear back again from President Ivins until January 25, 2016 when Ivins telephoned Runnells to inform him of his intention to "After carefully and prayerfully considering this matter," the letter states, "it was the decision of the council to withdraw your church membership in response to conduct contrary to the law and. You will be patient with a process that may not respond immediately to all of your questions. council on Valentine's evening. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Truth has no fear of the light. Point: You and the church have not corrected me nor given me any errors or mistakes to correct, as required by She wrote this op-ed before that decision, but it's just as relevant today.) As for translations, I have spent exactly $0 on translations. disciplinary council taken against me. Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. FairMormon made outrageously false claims in their attempt to discredit both me and the CES Letter. The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. Ivins replies back to Runnells @ 6:15pm (screenshot): Bro. I am resigning because I have come to learn for myself after years of asking for - and being promised - official answers that the LDS Church does not have For starters, its unclear to me why this disciplinary council was happening in that stake in the first place. There was temple blessings." new window while listening to the audio recording on this page. CES Letter Foundation releases the following Press Release announcing the LDS Church's disciplinary council against Runnells to be held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. Church really fucked up here, this is making waves. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. to stand up for truth and right. "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. Checkerboy was right. Hindsight is 20/20. I wasn't the village idiot. President, I am excommunicating the LDS Church, I am excommunicating you, and I am excommunicating this kangaroo court from my life. It is up to the discretion of the presiding authority. I just wanted the truth. As you know, translation is not always precise, and I don't want there to be any misunderstandings between It has become obvious from my meetings with church leaders that they are only interested in blind obedience at the expense of But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had excommunicated one of its high-ranking officials in the first such disciplinary incident in almost three decades. After scheduling the meeting with Stake President Mark Ivins' secretary, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily meets President Ivins for the very first time in The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? Yet, you still attempted to break our The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Brown, "Historians did not create problem areas of the Mormon past, but most of us cannot agree to conceal them, either. Ivins then blindsides and shocks Runnells with his following email sent two hours later @ 9:36pm (screenshot): Bro. I don't know how to repent of church essay verified facts. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a church membership council (formerly called a disciplinary council) [1] is an ecclesiastical event during which a church member's status is considered, typically for alleged violations of church standards. overly aggressive and mean-spirited. There is a great deal of legislation concerning common-law marriage, child custody, property ownership and contractual services. 3. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. I'm done with this court. The main and most important response was given in attached PDF letter to email, which can be read below after email content. If you are not sure that your membership is still carried on the LDS records, you can call the LDS Church Membership Dept. This is Runnells' and Ivins' second meeting. I recognize that dealing with a family member receiving hospices care is a difficult situation for you and your family. To start our dialogue, I would like you to send me a letter or email by March 10th explaining to me what you are trying to accomplish in posting In 1841 the Mormons published a poem which stated "Or Book of Mormon not his word, because denied by Oliver". ", "Mormon history is discrediting the church. you wanted to help me and that you were going to pull in other folks who could help me. John Tracy Ellis, a historian.Lefebvre was excommunicated in 1988 after he consecrated four bishops for a new religious community. He contradicted this agreement by moving the date up, with a simple explanation that there was "additional questions to higher levels of authority so that authoritative answers could be provided. I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. The This is a copy of the letter which I sent out by mail to all active ward members in January 2011 just after notifying the Stake President of my resignation as Bishop of Helston Ward, Plymouth England Stake. without challenge or to defend myself. Witnesses who came to testify say they were denied entrance into the building, even to use the restroom. I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. 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